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11:23 pm
July 3, 2010


smilinjohn

Minnesota Prairie

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Cheryl said:

I am towing my 2010 RK with a '01 Toyota Tundra V-8, which does great over mountain passes.    I have an issue with the Hijacker ball mount hitch BM307 I'm using that was suggested by the dealer service dept.  The hitch has a drop to it that is pretty much level to the RK, only when going down a small dip or over a small speed bump, the jack will scrape the ground and this is without the jack pad installed. So, as a result of the scraping, the jack pad is prevented from installation.  I have an appt. to talk to the service dept. this coming Wed. and I would like to have some info as to what would be a better setup for the TT and my truck's towing package. 


Thanks, Cheryl  Confused


Cheryl, contact Bob Gisi at etrailer.com 1-800-298-8924 for an expert's opinion / advice.

SmileJohn

2010 Sportsmen Classic 14RK; 2005 Ford F-150, 5.4L V8; "…..it is always advisable to perceive clearly our ignorance." Charles Darwin

8:09 am
July 5, 2010


Marlynmik

Northern Ontario

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posts 86

My jack often scrapes the ground, we have a drop down and it's at its lowest point.  We are going to have the axle springs mounted on top instead of on the bottom so we can gain about 4-6″ of clearance.  The garage we're getting it done at quoted us about $200+ tax.  It can be a DIY job but I'd rather get it done professionally.  We are towing with a Dodge Ram.

2010 Sportsmen Classic 16BH * TV: 2010 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7L V8

5:18 pm
July 6, 2010


Cheryl

Everett, WA

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posts 15

I called etrailer.com and they said they had never heard of a trailer coupler so low to the ground.  They suggested getting bigger tires.  The trailer coupler and the hitch difference is 11 inches and right now, the drop on the mount I have is 8 inches.   So, they thought the back of the trailer would be too low and effect the brakes.  As for the axle adjustment, I was, also, told by the dealership service dept. to have the axle springs changed as you indicated, but for a higher price.  I'm glad to see you have a more reasonable price, so I will shop around.  I'm going to take it to them tomorrow for some other repairs and let them know what I found out.  Thanks for your help.  Appreciate it.

2010 Sportsmen Class 14RK;'01 Toyota Tundra V-8

9:01 pm
July 6, 2010


smilinjohn

Minnesota Prairie

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Cheryl, larger tires are not the answer……not enough room in 14RK wheel wells per KZ-RV Design Engineering Dept., as I had wanted to increase tire size to gain additional safety while towing.  I chose to replace the OEM China-made ST175/R13 tires with ST185/R13, however, the ST185's only increase the overall tire height by 3/8″, but do expand margin of safety to a level that I'm comfortable with.

I do not know what the answer is.  I'm experiencing the same scraping problems with the Reese Weight Diswtribution / Sway Control sold to me by etrailer.com, yet, I sure have a level TT and tow vehicle.

SmileJohn

2010 Sportsmen Classic 14RK; 2005 Ford F-150, 5.4L V8; "…..it is always advisable to perceive clearly our ignorance." Charles Darwin

6:53 am
July 7, 2010


Marlynmik

Northern Ontario

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I wonder why KZ manufactured these trailers so low to the ground.  DH's reasoning was that they are marketed to smaller vehicles (SUV and minivans) which are naturally lower.  When we were towing with our Vue, the hitch was level with the tongue.  When we upgraded to a pick-up truck, it was MUCH higher!

2010 Sportsmen Classic 16BH * TV: 2010 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7L V8

5:57 pm
July 9, 2010


Jason

Akron, OH

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posts 12

We're towing our 16BH with a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited with factory tow package.  I have anti sway but no WDH.  My normal highway mpg is 19-20;  with trailer I was getting about 12.5 on Ohio flats, but only 10.8 on PA hills – ouch!

6:49 pm
July 12, 2010


mitch36

Oak Lawn, Ill.

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posts 40

We just returned from a 7300 mile trip with our 16BH towed by a 2003 GMC Savana 1/2 ton with a 5.3 and 3:73 gears. For the most part, I didnt even know it was back there, BUT with a heavy head wind and lots of uphill pulls, overdrive was out of the question. I dont know what mileage we got but we burned about 1700 dollars worth of fuel, a little more than my wife planned for! I did notice that the trailer bounces around more since I put the axle on the other side of the springs ( a good move cause we would have bottomed out the whole trip) so I'm going to look into some form of axle snubber much like what is on my van, or possibly adding shock absorbers. This shouldnt be a difficult fix as it is a simple suspension design. Switching the axle also helps in the whole drain hose thing as the outlet is now 5 inches higher so tank drainage is much more efficient. Anyways, I will post more about the trip in another place . Mitch.

6:11 pm
August 14, 2010


thomascampers – Houston, TX

Houston, TX

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Have a classic 1993 Ford F150 with a V-8 (small) and got my hitch and a sway bar installed yesterday.  Monday I pick up my new 16BH and tow it from Austin to Houston.  My first towing experience but I am looking forward to it and don't foresee any problems.

2011 16BH*2010 Nissan Titan*sway bar

11:56 pm
August 24, 2010


toplot

Member

posts 6

I have done a lot of research on this topic and I can honestly say that you should not tow the 19BH with a sienna minivan.  Your minivan is rated for 3500lbs as long as you have the towing package!!!. Your classic 19BH weights 2540 lbs. You must first deduct about 700lbs off the 3500 lbs right off the bat as a safety buffer. Now your towing capacity is reduced to 2800lbs. So now if you deduct the weight of your camper (2540lbs) from your towing capacity (2800lbs) you are left with 260 lbs of towing capacity. Now you must add all your gear, cooler, suitcases, beer, pop, food and a couple of extra people and you will be well beyond your towing capacity. Rule of thumb is add about 500 to 800lbs for people and equiplment. I would not even tow the 16BH with a minivan. You will most certain blow your transmission or your engine towing that kind of weight. I myself am debaiting on whether my 2001 Chevy Venture is adequate for the 14RB which only weights i little over 1900 lbs. Hope this helps you!!!      toplot

4:45 am
September 26, 2010


Karsty

Niagara Falls, Ontario

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Post edited 12:03 pm – September 26, 2010 by Karsty


I will be towing with a new 2011 Toyota Sienna, Limited with 3.5 Litre V6, 266 Horsepower and 245 lb-ft of torque,6-speed automatic transmission with factory installed transmission cooler. I will be towing the Sportsman Classic 14RB.

It does NOT have the trailer towing package but is still rated for 3500 pounds. The trailer towing package is rated for 5500 pounds and comes with Engine Oil Cooler, Heavy Duty Radiator, 200W Fan.  I am using the synthetic oil however. Had I known that a few short month later I would be purchasing a trailer … albeit a smaller one … I would have got the towing package.  Next time!!

I am concerned about the installation of the wiring harness. The taillights are LED lights and I understand that requires special harness/connection. I haven’t talked to the RV dealer about it yet but they are throwing in the wiring harness as part of the package.  Since I am not picking the trailer up till the spring 2011 I am doing as much research now as possible to ensure the best performance and results.

I am also getting a sway bar and electric brake module.

I am totally new to this and am not sure I understand everything yet but find this FORUM helpful.

I will be doing three major trips over the next few years.  Alaska; Newfoundland; and Route 66 not to mention numerous smaller trips in between so this unit (van & TT) will be used extensively.

CURRENT: 2012 Winnebago ERA – FORMER: 2011 Toyota Sienna Limited – 2011 Spree Escape E14RBnn"If a hammer doesn't fix it … it must be an electrical problem."

6:52 am
September 26, 2010


Steve

San Antonio, TX

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posts 193

I'm towing with a 2006 Honda Ridgeline – factory tran cooler, tow package (the tow package installed a few years after purchase), and it can tow up to 5k. I purchased my tow package from the dealership and had it installed by them. Basically the truck was ready made to accept the additional wiring and what not. When you connect your trailer to your tow hitch the wired receiving connectors will be next to the tow hitch.

Now when you say Sway bar, do you mean actual sway bars or the weight distribution bars? I've learned that WD bars are incorrectly referred to as sway bars. I can confirm that you do not need weight distribution bars with your setup or the 14RB trailer. It's too light to require them. When I was shopping for my trailer I was looking at both the 14 and 16. I found out that I did not need WD bars for either, but did require the brake control system for the 16. The 14's don't come with electric brakes according to my dealer.

http://haven106.blogspot.com

8:10 am
September 26, 2010


Karsty

Niagara Falls, Ontario

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Post edited 3:12 pm – September 26, 2010 by Karsty


Hi Steve:

From what I understand in Canada the electric brakes are required so they do come with the 14RB here. I also believe the dealer called them "anti-sway bar" and not a weight distribution hitch. Just to prevent the trailer swaying when large truck might be passing … not really required but a nice to have I guess. Since this is my first time trailering I figure I'll need all the help I can get. I did tow a department 5th-wheel trailer for a short while but not enough to get any real experience.

I already have a Class III/IV Curtis hitch installed. I used that just to haul my bicycle on a bike rack. Perhaps a little over kill for a bike rack but as a friend of mine says, "Go big or go home".

I am toying with the idea of having the a dealer installed tow package installed as well. Just not sure if it is really necessary. I will be doing a lot of towing though … and it may be helpful going through the mountains?? I understand that it has all the pre-wiring etc ready to accept a tow package as well.

Thanks for the information Steve … all very helpful.

CURRENT: 2012 Winnebago ERA – FORMER: 2011 Toyota Sienna Limited – 2011 Spree Escape E14RBnn"If a hammer doesn't fix it … it must be an electrical problem."

9:48 am
September 26, 2010


Steve

San Antonio, TX

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posts 193

Good deal!


I was wondering if the EB on the 14 was a matter of Canadian law too. Good to know. I've found having them helps a lot especially when you have big trucks passing you by. 


That's why I was asking about the SB versus WD bars. I've even had to ask for clarification from some dealers on that because they had it wrong. Some were trying to sell me more than I needed and I wanted to make sure you didn't get caught in the same thing as I did. Luckily I learned what I needed to before it was too late and backed out of the sale.

http://haven106.blogspot.com

9:57 am
September 27, 2010


smilinjohn

Minnesota Prairie

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Steve said: The 14's don't come with electric brakes according to my dealer.


Steve, in February 2010 my Minnesota dealer (owner) told me that the U.S. dealers got together and ordered all model 14s and larger TTs with electric brakes.  Some of the TTs were slated to get the optional surge systems, that the dealers thought were less reliable safety-wise.  Our 14RK, mfg. August 2009 came with 10″ electric brakes.

SmileJohn

2010 Sportsmen Classic 14RK; 2005 Ford F-150, 5.4L V8; "…..it is always advisable to perceive clearly our ignorance." Charles Darwin

7:40 am
September 30, 2010


RubenZ

South Texas

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posts 30

WOW, a lot of risky folks here towing their trailers with small vehicles.  HOnestly I'd never tow anything more than 2500k without a full size pickup and v8 and good stopping power.  Yes minivans, small 4cyl trucks etc can "move" that heavy of a load but it won't do it safely.  THink of this. If something were to run in front of you are you confident your vehicle can swerve out of way, with a trailer in tow and back on track quickly enough and safely enough? what about a full on hard break? etc. going downhill?  Yes these trailers are light, but thats dry weight, no holding tank water, propane full, add in extra batteries, food items, storage, maybe an ice chest, etc and it adds up.  Then theres the weight thats actually IN YOUR CAR! if your carrying lots of passengers, and luggage that adds up. 


I know its overkill but i was planning for the future. I tow with a Chevy' 2007 2500HD 4×4 Diesel w/Allison 6speed transmission. 

7:50 am
September 30, 2010


Steve

San Antonio, TX

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posts 193

smilinjohn said:

Steve said: The 14's don't come with electric brakes according to my dealer.


Steve, in February 2010 my Minnesota dealer (owner) told me that the U.S. dealers got together and ordered all model 14s and larger TTs with electric brakes.  Some of the TTs were slated to get the optional surge systems, that the dealers thought were less reliable safety-wise.  Our 14RK, mfg. August 2009 came with 10″ electric brakes.

SmileJohn


I should've said that they told me this last year before I purchased mine this year. 

http://haven106.blogspot.com

9:47 am
September 30, 2010


AJ

Milton, VT

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Karsty said: I am toying with the idea of having the a dealer installed tow package installed as well. Just not sure if it is really necessary. I will be doing a lot of towing though … and it may be helpful going through the mountains?? I understand that it has all the pre-wiring etc ready to accept a tow package as well. Thanks for the information Steve … all very helpful.


Hi Karsty,

We're looking at a 19SBT and will be towing with a 2010 Sienna.  We too purchased just a few months before deciding we'd like to invest in a trailer, and did not get the tow package at purchase.  All my research has shown that on the 2010 Sienna, not all the "towing package" options are available from the dealer – they are only factory installed options.  At this point I'm planning on having the RV dealer install a Class III hitch, wiring harness/brake controller, and 3rd party transmission cooler.  

Good luck with your purchase, have fun and tow safe!

Al

2011 Sportsmen Classic 19SBT with rear tent option : 2010 Toyota Sienna

7:00 pm
December 8, 2010


wayfat

Member

posts 8

Post edited 1:50 am – June 9, 2011 by wayfat


i am pulling my 14 foot toy hauler with a lowered , 2 wheel drive chevy colorado with an in line 5 cylinder.  i only pulled it 6 hours so far, but it pulls just as good as our pop up did-even with the fatboy in the back.  can't wait to actually camp in it next year!!

wayfat

5:14 pm
January 17, 2011


happycampers

South Florida

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posts 22

I tow a 2011 16RBT with a 2001 mazda tribute V6.  I tow at 60mph with overdrive off and average 16 miles per gallon.  The truck pulls this trailer much better than the 2002 coleman niagara pop up we used to have.  I have had no problems with rear sag and I use an anti sway as a precaution.

2008 Lincoln Navigator pulling 2011 16RBT

11:45 am
March 18, 2011


wrenchist

Guest

Hey everyone, haven't been on for a while. I thought I'd chime in with my set up and opinion about tow vehicles / weight.

I tow my 16BH with a 2007 Grand Caravan 3.8L, 200HP 230 FT LB torque. My TV also did not have a tow package. I installed the biggest  most efficient cooler I could find and added the hitch, harness and prodigy brake controller.  Since mini van rear springs are fairly soft I installed a drawtite 400 single bar WDH. I installed a anti sway device as well. Don't no if I needed to or not, I never towed with out it.

Its all the same set up I used with the 2003 Coleman Cheyenne I had prior to the Sportsmen.  Spring of 2010 we took the pop up to northern California from NW Washington and back. At no time did I feel as though there was in any danger to my family or other motorists. I strictly adhear to all the weight limits, gross trailer, combined, rear axle, front axle etc. The width, low center of gravity and lower profile tires actually make a very stable platform. I travel at a max. 60 MPH and on the steepest portions of mountain passes I would be in 2nd gear doing 50 MPH hanging out with the Semis. That would only be for 5 minutes or so at a time.

I do notice the differance in lack of wind resistance with the sportsmen so I'm reluctant to flip the axle and make it worse. I orderd caster for the rear bumper and a wheel to attach to the draw tight hitch. I scrape at the adjustable hitch as oppose to the jack.

Happy camping in 2011!

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