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IMPORTANT TIRE CLEARANCE ISSUE

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8:46 am
May 26, 2010


Sportsman Matt

Central MA

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IMPORANT TIRE CLEARANCE ISSUE


After trailering my 19BH on a short trip, I noticed that inside the wheel wells was a build up of black on the top like the tires were rubbing.

Guess what… They were rubbing. Seems that the tires don't have enough clearance to move without hitting the top of the wheel wells with the current spring under axle suspension system.

I e-mailed KZ RV Inc a photo of the picture of the inside of the wheel well, explaining what they can do to fix the problem on future models.

I did my own repair, adding new spring seats to the axle and mounting the springs from underneath the axle to above the axles. Cost me less than $20 plus my time. (Helps that I used to work in Steel Fabrication for a few years and then did a few years as a RV Service Technician)

I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU INSPECT YOUR TIRES AND WHEEL WELLS FOR ANY SIGN OF RUBBING. THIS CAN CAUSE PREMATURE TIRE WEAR OR TIRE FAILURE RESULTING IN TRAILER DAMAGE OR PERSONAL INJURY DUE TO A TIRE BLOW OUT.

I am awaiting KZ-RV Inc to respond to my e-mail.

Also due to the low suspension, I managed to damage the end of the tongue jack by scraping while exiting a gas station. I had to sawzall the last 3/8″ of the extendable inner tube that was crushed to fix it. Luckily nothing else was damaged when the bottom scraped the curbing when exiting.

9:08 am
May 26, 2010


Sportsman Matt

Central MA

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posts 95

9:10 am
May 26, 2010


Sportsman Matt

Central MA

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posts 95

Try this again


That's better.

7:47 pm
May 28, 2010


mitch36

Oak Lawn, Ill.

Member

posts 40

SmileMatt, I looked at my 16BH today and its doing the same thing. I plan to swap the axle to below the spring this week-end as we are leaving for a 3 week trip real soon and I dont need any problems caused by a lack of clearance. I measured about 5 inches of lift when this is done, is that about what you got? I'm towing with a GMC Savana and even with the draw ar dropped, the trailer toungue is still higher than the rear so the axle swap will surely help me out there. As soon as i get a set of axle pads , a welding I will go !!! Mitch.

11:42 pm
May 29, 2010


smilinjohn

Minnesota Prairie

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posts 380

Mitch, Matt's tires are 14″, while yours and mine are 13″.  I swapped my original ST 175/80R13 China-made tires for Maxxis ST 185/80R13.  ST 185/80R13 are about .6″ larger diameter than the stock size, yet I am not experiencing any rubbing problem as you fellows are.  Perhaps, because I had mine balanced that I'm not experiencing any rubbing/bottoming-out.Surprised

SmileJohn

2010 Sportsmen Classic 14RK; 2005 Ford F-150, 5.4L V8; "…..it is always advisable to perceive clearly our ignorance." Charles Darwin

6:01 am
May 30, 2010


Marlynmik

Northern Ontario

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posts 86

Interesting observation, I'll have to check ours!  We are absolutely not handy though, so if this is the case, we won't be able to DIY repair :(

2010 Sportsmen Classic 16BH * TV: 2010 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7L V8

8:25 am
May 30, 2010


mitch36

Oak Lawn, Ill.

Member

posts 40

We have used the trailer only twice, has only about 300 miles on it and we havenot put any heavy stuff in it yet. I think the tires are rubbing when hitting bumps and dips in the road.  Anyways I bought a set of axle pads and will weld them on this week and put the axle below the springs to get a little more clearance like Matt did. I dont think it will change the towing characteristics of the trailer , in fact it might tow better behind my van as they will both be at the same height. The only other problem I have had is that the fridge has a tendency to move out of the enclosure even with the strap on it but I'm working on that problem now. I will keep you all posted on how things go. Its a long trip from Chicago to the Pacific Northwest and we dont need any problems !! Mitch.

11:27 pm
June 2, 2010


smilinjohn

Minnesota Prairie

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posts 380

Mitch, I have the 14RK, with 4.6 cu.ft. refer.  I screwed a 1/2″ x 1/2″ x 9″ long wood block to bottom/front of refer cabinet, to block the refer from walking forward.  Also, screwed small "L-bracket" to bottom/corner (non-hinged corner) of refer and screwed bracket to bottom of cabinet to further discourage refer from dancing around in the cabinet.

SmileJohn

2010 Sportsmen Classic 14RK; 2005 Ford F-150, 5.4L V8; "…..it is always advisable to perceive clearly our ignorance." Charles Darwin

2:47 pm
June 11, 2010


mike h

Member

posts 6

Sportsman Matt said:

IMPORANT TIRE CLEARANCE ISSUE


After trailering my 19BH on a short trip, I noticed that inside the wheel wells was a build up of black on the top like the tires were rubbing.

Guess what… They were rubbing. Seems that the tires don't have enough clearance to move without hitting the top of the wheel wells with the current spring under axle suspension system.

I e-mailed KZ RV Inc a photo of the picture of the inside of the wheel well, explaining what they can do to fix the problem on future models.

I did my own repair, adding new spring seats to the axle and mounting the springs from underneath the axle to above the axles. Cost me less than $20 plus my time. (Helps that I used to work in Steel Fabrication for a few years and then did a few years as a RV Service Technician)

I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU INSPECT YOUR TIRES AND WHEEL WELLS FOR ANY SIGN OF RUBBING. THIS CAN CAUSE PREMATURE TIRE WEAR OR TIRE FAILURE RESULTING IN TRAILER DAMAGE OR PERSONAL INJURY DUE TO A TIRE BLOW OUT.

I am awaiting KZ-RV Inc to respond to my e-mail.

Also due to the low suspension, I managed to damage the end of the tongue jack by scraping while exiting a gas station. I had to sawzall the last 3/8″ of the extendable inner tube that was crushed to fix it. Luckily nothing else was damaged when the bottom scraped the curbing when exiting.


3:02 pm
June 11, 2010


mike h

Member

posts 6

Hi Matt,


I am totally new to forum use, any forum. I managed to mess up my first attempt at asking you a question and just reposted your original. Here goes again.


We have a 19BH that we have taken on one trip. We have no evidence of tire rubbing but I did manage to break off the drain valves to the black and grey water tanks when I was backing into my steep driveway. Therefore, I am interested in how you raised your trailer.


I am not handy at all so would have to have the work done. Wouild the average rv repair shop understand your description of what you did?


Also, how does the trailer handle on the highway at its new height.


Thanks for the help.


Mike


3:48 pm
June 11, 2010


Sportsman Matt

Central MA

Moderator

posts 95

Hi Mike, glad to meet another 19BH owner on the forum.

Here's a picture of the finished but unpainted spring mount location on the axle.

Note 2 things here. First is the old spring seats on the axle are still installed, they are not an issue and do not need to be removed. Second all of the OEM hardware was reused. The bolt in the front that holds the spring in place is splined and you remove the nut off the back and tap the bolt out from the threaded end with a block of wood in between to prevent damage.

Also they welded the spring mounts on the frame and never touched up the paint, so I'm going to Rustoleum Gloss black them soon. Also notice the rust on the axle and frame, I am not impressed but atleast it's surface rust and not flaking rust.

Lots of bolting and unbolting, but you do need to weld the new spring seats back on the axle, the welds prevent the axle from spinning when the brakes lock up and the trailer keeps going.

Any good RV shop can do this type of work, as well as any place that does spring replacements (I have a couple companies in the area that all they do is springs and axles on trucks, so something like this would be a piece of cake for them)

6:02 pm
June 13, 2010


mike h

Member

posts 6

Hi Matt,


Thanks for replying. The picture and explanation are very clear.


How does your trailer ride now? I am concerned about our strong prairie winds and their effects on a taller unit.


We have only used our 19BH for 4 nights but we are very happy so far. Our only issues have been one ceiling light that doesn't work properly and rust. I am interested to see the rust on your trailer because I just phoned my dealer to ask about the extensive surface rust on our new frame, axle and other fittings. He says it's normal; they all are like that. Since he's 70 miles away I didn't just drive over to check the other units on his lot.


Thanks again for the information.


Mike



10:22 am
August 24, 2010


Sportsman Matt

Central MA

Moderator

posts 95

Reposting the pic due to policy changes at Flickr



The OEM seat is on the bottom, the new one is on the top.


And here's why I had to do it.


4:44 pm
September 1, 2010


thomascampers – Houston, TX

Houston, TX

Member

posts 11

mitch36 said:SmileMatt, I looked at my 16BH today and its doing the same thing. I plan to swap the axle to below the spring this week-end as we are leaving for a 3 week trip real soon and I dont need any problems caused by a lack of clearance. I measured about 5 inches of lift when this is done, is that about what you got? I'm towing with a GMC Savana and even with the draw ar dropped, the trailer toungue is still higher than the rear so the axle swap will surely help me out there. As soon as i get a set of axle pads , a welding I will go !!! Mitch.


Mitch, I found a KZ dealer here in Houston that will flip the axle for $250.00.  When that is done do I need to install axle pads as well?

I need at least 3 inches in additional clearance in order to get my trailer in my driveway. 

Please let me hear from all of you who have had this done!

2011 16BH*2010 Nissan Titan*sway bar

5:53 pm
September 1, 2010


mitch36

Oak Lawn, Ill.

Member

posts 40

Thomas, if they are going to flip the axle , you should'nt need anything else. The only thing you will need to do is adjust your ball height on your tow vehicle as the tongue on the trailer will be higher. This can be accomplished with a new reciever bar with the appropriate lift. I did notice that my 16bh tends to roll around a bit more since I raised it, I'm toying with the idea of adding shoch absorbers to it to keep it from bouncing and rolling around. All in all, I'm happy with the axle flip. Mitch.

5:56 pm
September 1, 2010


mitch36

Oak Lawn, Ill.

Member

posts 40

Also Thomas, I gained approximately 5 inches in clearance with the flip, it's a win/win modification. Mitch.

6:06 pm
September 1, 2010


dallas214

Member

posts 23

Post edited 1:11 am – September 2, 2010 by dallas214


Hello — I had my axle flipped on my 14RK and am happy with it. I still try to be careful over bumps, etc, but I feel better knowing that the wheel isn't rubbing on the inside of the wheel well and that I'm not going to scrape my tongue jack. It's also a little easier to get at the dump valves and light the hot water heater.  I paid $220.00 for my service, but that also included grease and re-pack the bearings. I think the charge for the axle flip alone was $110.00. I had the work done at a shop that works on trailers (mostly non-RV type trailers) and installs hitches on trucks. The trailer does bounce around somewhat more and I had to put a tension rod in front of the drawers (inside the cabinet) to keep them from coming out. I replaced my 3″ drop draw bar with a straight bar and that took care of the extra height (of course you may need something different depending on what you are currently using).


They did weld in new spring seats on top of the axle (just like in the pictures on Sportmen Matt's entry above).

4:12 pm
September 25, 2010


Sportsman Matt

Central MA

Moderator

posts 95

Biggest thing is that you need to have either:


A) New spring seats installed on the OEM axle

or

B) A new axle with Spring seats in the proper locations.


Don't just turn the axle over. The axle has a bow in it to allow for proper tracking and tire wear under load. By rotating the axle over, the bow would be in the wrong direction, and cause handling and tire wear problems.


As I look back at it, I took the cheaper of the two routes. On my next one, I'm going to just swap out the axle for a strait one without the drop built in and have the springs mounted underneath like the original.

As for handling, mine handles like it did before the remounting of the springs. So sway issues at all. Just had to go from a 6″ drop mount to a strait 2″ ball mount off the hitch.


Now this is the crucial thing for anyone who is planning on doing this to do. Make sure the axle if it has a bow in it is bowed upward towards the underside of the trailer. If you had a shop flip the axle, make sure they welded in new seats or reused the old ones, not just remounted the axle upside down to the springs, as this will cause handling issues.


As for the rust issue, a good coat of Rustoleum Gloss Black will solve the issue. But that's another thread.


Matt

6:05 am
October 6, 2010


RubenZ

South Texas

Member

posts 30

Do you all know what size AXLE k-Z uses in the 16BH. By the looks of it, its 3″ ?