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1:15 pm
April 12, 2011


Steve

San Antonio, TX

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I'm switching out my thermostat to a digital one this weekend. I've never done this before, but read that it's pretty easy to do. I'm checking in to see if there are any pitfalls I should be aware of when I do this.


I'm installing the Hunter 42999. Target carries them for around $20.

Thanks
Steve 

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1:31 pm
April 12, 2011


sandersmr

Texas

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Has not been an issue for me – we haven't used the furnace.  We use a ceramic heater instead to save on propane.

2010 16BH towed by 2002 F-150 Super Crew 4.6L V8

2:08 pm
April 12, 2011


Steve

San Antonio, TX

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I'm in Texas too and haven't ever needed the furnace. The main push for the upgrade is for the digital thermometer. I know I can get it seperate, but figured this is easier since it does both jobs. Once I start full timing I'll will have cause to use the furnace (and have a dual LP setup) then.

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5:29 pm
April 12, 2011


Mike Magee

near Tulsa OK

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The thing I'm wondering is whether the RV t-stats use the same voltage as house t-stats.  I don't know the answer to this.  If they are compatible, then yes installation should be quite easy.  I just installed a Hunter programmable for my daughter because her existing (electronic) t-stat got wonky and wouldn't shut the AC off when it should.  Just a matter of paying attention to where the 4 wires go on, and the terminals are clearly labeled.

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6:33 pm
April 12, 2011


wrenchist

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In my previous pop up I installed a self powered electronic thermostat (two aa batteries) to turn on a universal automotive relay which turned on the furnace. The relay only requires a few miliamps to activate.

6:57 pm
April 12, 2011


Steve

San Antonio, TX

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The one I linked uses batteries. Most thermostats operate at 12 volts and houses have transformers to convert power for them. Well, from what I've been reading.

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7:20 pm
April 12, 2011


wrenchist

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I assume the thermostat in the Sportsmen is like the one in my Coleman. The wires in the mechanical thermostat are 12 or 14 gage compared to 18 or so on the digital thermostat. I'm assuming that there is more current flow that the digital thermostat would be able to handle (possibly all the current for the fan), that is the reason I installed the relay.

8:03 pm
April 12, 2011


Steve

San Antonio, TX

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I'm not able to speak on what gauge wire is used (on either TT), or even which thermostat you installed due to the lack of information. All I know is the Hunter 42999 operates on a pair of AA batteries and there is nothing anywhere in the specs saying what gauge wire is required to connect to it. I just want to know if there's something a novice like me should be aware of when installing a digital thermostat.

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8:40 pm
April 12, 2011


wrenchist

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I used a honeywell and could not get it to work without a relay. After googleing mechanical to digital rv thermostats I see there are a lot of folks using several hunter modles with lots of advice for about installing them.

1:21 pm
April 27, 2011


FoCoNoCo

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Post edited 8:22 pm – April 27, 2011 by FoCoNoCo


Steve said:The one I linked uses batteries. Most thermostats operate at 12 volts and houses have transformers to convert power for them. Well, from what I've been reading.


A thermostat in your camper may run on 12VDC . Residential thermostats run on 24VAC.  You can find thermostats that run on 120VAC as well.  In general, the batteries in residential thermostats are designed to keep the time/temp settings – most do not run correctly on the 3VDC supplied by batteries.  For a more permanent solution, you can buy a transformer to stepdown the 120VAC to 24VAC and run a length of 18ga thermostat wiring from the transformer to the thermostat and wire the C and Y terminals on the thermostat to the coil leads on a 24VAC coil relay or contactor for cooling, and the C and W terminals for heating– not sure what you are planning to control with the thermostat – you COULD control a window shaker A/C with a wall mount thermostat, but would require rewiring most of the A/C unit.

1:53 pm
April 27, 2011


sandersmr

Texas

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FoCo – the furnace is controlled by the thermostat.  The trailer comes equipped with a mechanical thermostat that's not the most accurate – it supposedly has a pretty wide swing.

2010 16BH towed by 2002 F-150 Super Crew 4.6L V8

4:33 pm
April 27, 2011


Steve

San Antonio, TX

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All I know about electricity is how wobbly it makes you feel when you come into direct contact with it. 

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8:13 am
April 28, 2011


FoCoNoCo

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sandersmr said:FoCo – the furnace is controlled by the thermostat.  The trailer comes equipped with a mechanical thermostat that's not the most accurate – it supposedly has a pretty wide swing.


Is there an anticipator adjustment on it?  If you want a simple, yet fairly accuracte residential replacement, you could install a round Honeywell T87 thermostat – requires no power, except for heat anticipator resistor, so it may work OK without 24VAC.  If you can find a thermostat that can reliably switch relays on 3vdc, that would be the best way to do it, and would allow you to boondock.  My original suggestion would work great – if you always camp with shore power, or have an inverter to supply 120vac to the transformer.  Otherwise, it woud not work.

8:15 am
April 28, 2011


FoCoNoCo

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Steve said:All I know about electricity is how wobbly it makes you feel when you come into direct contact with it. 


Only the first 10 times or so – depends how many amps you got hit with!  I know for a fact that 230vac at 15amps is somewhat painful – 120V shocks don't even bother me anymore….Embarassed

8:38 am
April 28, 2011


Steve

San Antonio, TX

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Wrenchist is right about how many RV'rs are using Hunters in their RV's. That and all the info about installing them. I'm not 100% sure but if I've understood everything correctly it'll work just fine in my 16BH.


http://hunter-thermostats.com/…..stats.html

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7:53 pm
April 28, 2011


wrenchist

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Post edited 3:30 am – April 29, 2011 by wrenchist


FoCoNoCo said:  If you can find a thermostat that can reliably switch relays on 3vdc, that would be the best way to do it,


I used this relay for a season before selling my pop up. http://www.slickcar.com/produc…..ductID=535  I had no trouble but I do agree 3vdc isn't much voltage. I'm not sure if I'll bother installing one in my 16bh.


8:34 pm
April 28, 2011


wrenchist

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Post edited 3:37 am – April 29, 2011 by wrenchist


I just recalled the digital thermostat closed the ground circuit on the control side of the relay. It did not actualy power up the relay with the 3vdc. I could provide a simple drawing if anyone is interested.

11:11 pm
April 29, 2011


FoCoNoCo

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wrenchist said:I just recalled the digital thermostat closed the ground circuit on the control side of the relay. It did not actualy power up the relay with the 3vdc. I could provide a simple drawing if anyone is interested.


If tyou're referring to the thermostat's internal switching relay, that makes sense.  Relays generally have a coil voltage rating – ie: the voltage needed to energize the coil side of the relay to either open/close the NO or NC contacts, in my field of work, most relays have a coil voltage of 24VAC – sometimes they will close with less voltage, but can weld the coil.

5:41 pm
April 30, 2011


wrenchist

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This is how I wired in a standard bosch type relay.

11:22 am
May 1, 2011


FoCoNoCo

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Makes perfect sense now – you're simply switching ground open and closed.  Most thermostat setups normally switch a power source, not  ground.  But that will work – so long as the thermostat side doesn't rub through or short to ground – then the furnace will stay running!  That's good – I wouldn't have even thought to switch the ground leg of the coil.

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